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C'mon, fess up. What do you need to improve this year?
Fortunately write more I don't stop backsliding on weight and exercise need to improve catch up on reading on anything write more!!!
And now a modern etiquette quandary:
In German, there are two forms of the pronoun "you": an informal du and a formal Sie. Your friends are du, and an adult might address a child that way, but otherwise most people, even casual friends and neighbors who have known each other for years, are supposed to be Sie to each other. I say "supposed to be" because I think things are much more informal now (though Deborah would be the one to confirm, deny, or shade with nuance all of the above...and this About.com article cites people getting fined for disrespecting a police offer with du). Anyway, back in the day—at least according to my German teacher—Germans would even celebrate a bit when they finally became du to each other.
I write this because I always assumed that Americans really didn't have a similar kind of tradition. But I realized today that I was wrong—as I gave an old acquaintance, now turned relatively new friend since her move to Baltimore, her own folder in my Gmail Inbox.
Similarly, another friend, D., wandered through my catalog. He was friends with my roommate, I., so he went in "I.'s Friends" (I often use certain nexus-point people to group friends). But they were his friends too, so soon the folder was renamed "I. & D.'s Friends." Eventually, D. got his own folder, as was his due.
At what point does someone get their own folder? Do you say to someone, "You've got your own folder now"? What does it mean if I give someone a folder...or don't give someone a folder? Recently for instance, I was surprised to briefly find myself with a girlfriend I hadn't counted on and certainly didn't have the energy or time for, and one of the ways I distanced myself was by pointedly refusing to give her a folder (relegating her to my general "Ephs" file) no matter how much she emailed. Never mind that she will never know she was denied a folder—I know, and that's enough.
Thoughts...?
(Especially from Ed and Brad, whose containment/manipulation of friendships is breathtakingly Machiavellian (in a good way), and Helena, who I'm sure has a rigidly defined system of dizzying specificity...)


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Folders | edward
Well, to begin with, I don't have any folders in gmail. I'm not sure exactly how you do!
When I used Eudora, however, I had tons of folders. Typically I wouldn't have to deal with the problem you describe, Dwight, until I realized that a bunch of conversations about a particular group (say, The Record), were from one person that I hadn't singled out yet. Then I'd go ahead and create a personal folder and search every previous folder for messages from that person.
In short, the only time e-mails from different people were mixed together were when they dealt with a common theme or were on a listserver.
Now that I'm using gmail, though, everyone is lumped together. At least virtually.
In real life, proper compartmentalization is always necessary. Breaking down the boundaries between various friends is about as dangerous as crossing the streams. Of course, every so often, one must do just that.
posted at: 2006-01-03 14:51:35Or labels... | dwight
I confess to being lax in my choice of words. In Gmail, conversations are labeled rather than put in folders. Which is actually much nicer since, for instance, I can label an email from Edward about a party and the webpage in any or all of the "Edward," "Ephs," "Dredwerkz," and "Schedule" categories. The desktop metaphor is a wonderful one—that's why it's lasted over 20 years—but Gmail's label method is one example of a superior system for indexing information.
posted at: 2006-01-03 15:36:38I'm flattered | helena
But you're off-base. I think I used to have folders like these, way back in the Eudora days, but I don't anymore. Actually, I am way too lax in my email organization, and largely dependent upon the sorting functions of Outlook. I can immediately create a faux "folder" of someone's correspondences by sorting and going to an individual's span of the list.
The free mail I use is a complete drag and I use it mostly for correspondence like online ordering, where I don't want my work mail to start getting shmucked.
But, the shocking realization I just had is that...I hardly ever email with friends. Edward occasionally, but we talk on the phone more. Any others are very, very rare. I hadn't realized this until just now.
I feel sort of the same way I did when I realized that everyone had an IPod, and I still didn't know what one did. My grandmother got one for Christmas this year, btw.
posted at: 2006-01-03 16:38:15But you asked about resolutions | helena
I forgot about that point...
I should vow to exercise more, but I'm sort of bored with making and breaking that one.
I eat fine, but I could tone down the sugar a bit. Then I'm afraid I'd get too weak and pathetic, though. Still...that's a good resolution. I should eat more protein to compensate. A good protein source every day, and only one dessert per day. Well, a little dessert after lunch and a dessert after dinner.
I should waste less time at work, simply because it's the right thing to do, but it would be less fun, and I can't wait until I get home to read Gene's chat.
I should be more social. I'll resolve to be a joiner of something -- a class, club, or some such. I'll report back when I've fleshed that out. I've thought of taking belly dancing, but then I say to myself, "Helena, you're a skinny white chick with zero sensuality. What are you thinking?"
I have thought about trying to get some freelance editing work, but then I wonder if my humble grasp of the English language warrants someone paying me.
Maybe I should resolve to have fewer conversations inside my own head. They seem to be partially responsible for my lack of motivation.
posted at: 2006-01-03 19:03:24resolutions | edward
Yeah, the e-mail with friends has trickled off for me as well. Although, to be fair, having a blog satisfies my need to talk about a great many subjects at length over the ether.
Resolutions? I think my perennial resolution is to simply kick more ass and take more names than the previous year. So far, during twenty six years of existence on this ball of water, I've managed to improve a little bit each year.
Besides, if I get too much more social, my liver will secede. And that'll be good for no one.
posted at: 2006-01-04 13:51:22Twenty-six? | helena
Ummm...aren't we twenty-seven now?
posted at: 2006-01-04 14:11:56Hazy | edward
Yeah, and I'm bad at addition. I actually rationalized, "hey, I just turned 27, so that means I've only been here 26 years" which is of course, utter nonsense.
Then again, those first couple months were pretty negative, what with surgery and stuff.
posted at: 2006-01-04 17:07:07irresolution | jenna
Ed beat me to the punch on this one:
This year I'm going to have even more fun than last year; and I am going to compartmentalize even less. Those who know me know that these resolutions mean exceedingly little, being inevitable.
posted at: 2006-01-13 16:57:10